Predators

What do I spend most of my time doing? Trying to get predators off the net. Pagan Predators. People who take advantage of a True Pagan's soft heart. Predators that prey on newbies and teens. Why? Because it has happened to me before and I don't wish for it to happen to anyone else.

Their is a few specific people in this community I live in, they either still live here and are trying to change thier identies or have moved off to other places. NOW, I could shout from the rooftops about who these Predators are, but that wont solve anything. It will only make them stronger because they have thier "followers" like a cult and they will unknowingly do anything for thier Predator. So, in the background here I am submitting reports to police. Have worked with detectives in the past(for theft in some cases and other illigal activites). I am just so frustrated. Being a Pagan can be hard enough with your Christian Extremists threatning your everymove without having to worry whether or not someone who are talking to/hanging out with, will be a predator.

As some of you may or may not recall, thier is a person specifically whom I was drawn in by, GSR. She joined my Ft Smith Pagans Egroup. Seemed like a nice person. She knew what to say and how to say it to wrap mainly me around her little ole finger. Once you get the "leader/organizer" of a group, most will usually just follow. So, I make a comment about our First Pagan Night Out and she responds that she needs a ride or she will be walking in the Summer heat while Pregnant (and other personal stuff that probly shouldn't have been said on the forums). Alarms should have went off then. But they didn't. My heart bled for her. I gave her my number and told her to call me, I'd make sure she had a ride. Well, between that time and the time of the meeting we would talk on the phone alot. I'd go over there alot. We loaned them our 2nd vehicle (I'm telling you, I got ringed in good). Whole nine yards. So, when I meet her, her husband is working at a restuarant as an asst cook (so she says). And then suddenly he's not working and he hasn't worked in months, but somehow they have managed to keep thier Satellite, Thier phones, DSL connection, her 3 pack a day habit and, I later find out, her drinking habit....

Wait, it gets more interesting... So, I'm invited to come over one day and meet one of her students and her mother. Student at this time is about 15 years old. I was under the impression that they had been working with this student for a long time. I find out later that was within the first 5 sessions. She claims to me, this is how she's been keeping a roof over thier heads. And that she, against her will, took donations from students online via paypal. FORCED? Against her will to take money?? Oh, but you know she had to put on her website about how she was pregnant and they had 5 kids already and her husband was unjustly fired for being a pagan. Pulling those heart strings. In actuallity, her kids were living with her parents in another town about 3 hours north of here. It didn't sink in. (I can be niave)

Ok, she's pregnant. I'm falling for every line. I'm starting to love her like a sister and trust her beyond almost anything. I'm a sucker. Just what the devil ordered. So, thier is this other group of Pagans around town that I eventually end up meeting at one of the meetings I help host. {NOTE: I've always extended a blanket invitation, and if you want to come to a meeting and see what its all about, please feel free} they invite us to come and join them and thier group as well. Help make the Pagan community better! I'm all for that. So, a few months go by. She's still pregnant. I'm still attempting to hold the PNOs (Pagan Night Outs) but no-one is showing up. I'm getting requests from the other group to merge with thiers, one big happy family. I'm getting emails stating that, and I quote.. "You should not be treading on someone else's territory. Leave us alone. We dont need you or your pathetic group. You should be ashamed trying to take over something you didn't create"...end quote. I'm floored. Unbelievable. I take it to the people I met and had been brought to believe are the "leaders" of thier little clique. They said they would make an announcement and make it clear that we are welcome and to join the 2 groups together would be best. That never happened. They later claim that noone in thier group would do that so it wasn't necessary to make a statement. I later find out its possibly one of GSR's friends she told that she created the FSP group. *boggle*

So, we don't merge groups. No big deal. Most of the people who are members of FSP (Fort Smith Pagans egroup) didn't want to merge. I still attended thier meetings. And they still welcomed me with open arms. I brought GSR along with me. Everything is cool. So I think. No one shows up at the FSPNOs. Yet these other meetings are booming when THEY were dead before...I"m not able to attend all of them because of my boys but I'm getting phone calls telling me that "GSR was drunk last night at the meeting" or "I smelled alchohol on her breath, she was really toasty" Now, I'm not one to judge others, I try hard not to. But I really think its wrong for you smoke or drink (let alone both) while your preggars. And she was. The smoking I knew about. I begged her to quit everyday. The drinking I didn't know about. One night she calls. She wants to come over and hang out. I tell her "Its margarita night for me and Hephaestus, please don't come over we just want to be alone." She shows up at my doorstep with more Tequila in hand and other booze and other people I had never met. I was livid. "we'll only stay a second, I just want 1 drink" I started into her badly. "YOU DO NOT DRINK WHILE PREGNANT" She just stared at me. "I thought you were my friend" with those puppy dog eyes. "I am your friend, thats why I dont want you to drink while pregnant. Because I love you and your baby". She stormed out of the Apt.

Next day I called one of my "Friends" from the other group. I asked her advice and she gave it. Nothing I can do. I wouldn't listen to them before and now I think I'm gonna listen now. Well, friendships change. GSR dissapeared after that night still owing me money on the car we sold her. No one saw or heard of her for a while. Next thing I know (Forgot she was still a member of the group) she is trying to Post a message on the boards that I betrayed her and was talking badly about her behind her back. That she never drank or smoked while Pregnant. WELL. I declined the post. She sent it via private email to whoever she could. Tried hard to ruin my rep. Those that knew her true ways totally ignored the email and said "got another predator trying to cover thier asses". She had alot of supporters. Its amazing. (Please NOTE: I didn't start the conversations about GSR, these "other" people did)

So, she has this baby. And she calls me says I'm the only one she can go to and she's sorry and is scared cuz she said the baby had pestulant boils all over its face and body. Well, if you look at the pics, no it didn't. She was trying to get me to befriend her again. It didn't work. And now on her website she claims that we are the wrong ones in the community. Thats funny. That we aren't the true Pagans she thought she knew. Well, thats the Predator's way. Unfortunatly. And that we forced her to leave because of our Witch Wars (didn't have anything negative til she showed up). I'm talking with Student's mom alot. She's not happy about GSR and whats going and is glad she decided to pull her from teaching her Daughter... Well, I forced Mom to remove student by telling her lies, according to GSR.

So we end with her and continue. I get smart and I turn off the members list so noone can see who the other members are. Amazingly enough, people start showing up at the PNOs I host again. What is crazier is these people are telling me that they were sent an email via private mail to them, it appeared to come from me, that the meeting was cancelled at last minute. Whoa, I never sent an email privately I always send them through the group! So, I still don't know who sent those mails, but I have a few suspiscions as to who, and no, I dont think it was GSR. I think it was someone from that other group cuz I had removed and banned GSR.

Well, I'm hanging out with these people. And I'm really really trying hard to be apart of their community. All of it. Everyone. I'm a nice and friendly person. But I'm also trying to hear if anyone says about someone doing things they shouldn't like sabotage.

Then I'm beginning to be shunned. I'm hearing complaints from people thier being mislead. This other group is a coven. They claim thier not a coven nor were they ever. OK. I bring it up to the "leaders" of this group. I'm told I'm making up stories. But all I did was ask a question that was brought to me by things that were said to the ones who were in my meetup group. But we're not going to get into that cuz we got into a big ole ugly fight over it and there ensues the downfall of the relationships with them... Someone used my friendship and was dirty. I hope it wasn't who I think it was, I really trust her and confided in her about GSR and what she was doing!

This is my concern. Thier is someone in that group, a few them actually, who claim to be these Elders and Adepts and that they've been practicing for a long long time. I've been told by others who've known them for a while that they just started practicing a few years ago. How does 3 or so years add up to be 25 or so that thier claiming? IT doesn't. I've noticed that a few of them have changed thier aliases now and have tried to be really subtle about it all. People do that everyday, but I'm saying totally diff info than before changing, yet thier "names (real names)" are staying the same, so you know its them. But thier conjuring up diff magickal names because of the negativity they created using the other, so they have to make a fresh start and blind everyone's eyes. Like a chameleon changes colors. Trying to reinvent themselves. "Who did what? Thier not around any more. No, I'm not new, I've been here forever. No, I dont know what your talking about" kind of shit.

Some of these other people in this other group is bad mouthing the members of my group and mostly me. Thier playing this power struggle game. OK, they helped get rid of GSR. Thats all find and dandy. GSR was a predator. Want to know how she really kept a roof over her head? She told that same 15 year old student that I met that night, that she was whoring her body out for money while her "husband" who is married to someone else and dying of cancer (his actual wife is and those were his words!) was standing as her body guard. That she is doing this while pregnant. Oh my gods. You dont' tell a 15 year old child this shit! She was taking money for a Pagan Pride Day as well and using it for personal means. Those people will never get thier money back.

So, we get rid of the Predator (but her prescence unfortunatly is still abound on the web even tho she's not been around, unless she's changed her skin and I havn't found the "new" GSR, yet. A predator will always help you get rid of another predator. And they will always try and help be "credible" to the non predator. Now that GSR is out of the way, the only person that stands in thier way is me. I'm a legit 100% pagan and I dont hold back. If you read my journal, I am literally an open book. I dont keep secrets and I dont tell lies. Altho I will change your name so no one knows it was you! lol Maybe I shouldn't do that anymore....

Now I'm being labled as a predator. I use to go to thier meetings and now they say I am a predator. I'm being labeled as a fibber. I have heard first hand them say something or do something and question it and I'm making it up, or whatever. They say thier is no coven, thier not a coven. BIG DEAL if you are, but you need to make sure your "Members" know exactly what you are. To this day I have friends on thier boards and that go to thier meetings, and she says the only reason she goes is to keep an eye on them. Its sad. And she says they seem to be covenish.

I had a person accidentally show up at one of our PNOs a few months ago. She was with her kids. She wrote a note to me and gave it to one of the people there and said to make sure who she needed to contact (leader/organizer) gets this. Well, the person said that she was given a note and was really hesitant about me seeing it. I barely had time to read it before she snatched it away. Luckily this Lady contacted me via witchvox. We are total friends now and I'm thankful I have met her. I think person contacted the Lady. She doesnt feel comfortable about them. She's heard tidbits and rumours about them too. *sigh* Shows I'm not losing my mind, atleast.

I had another person find me via witchvox. She ended up at the meetings herself by accident. Asked around about what was going on (she saw all the people sitting together talking about Wicca, Witchcraft and wearing pentacles and stuff). She was told that it was a "Other group's name here" and that it was an impromptu meeting and thier normal meetings are really on "this date and this time at this location" (Again, I'm not giving away details, sorry, but I wont be held liable for slander even when it is the truth). She went to witchvox and saw differently. I have yet to meet this 2nd Lady, but I have received a few emails from her expressing her distaste for this other group. And how poorly she was treated when she asked them WHY someone had did that.

I use to think that I had friends with this other group. I really did. I've been told that at our Meetings that people in my group are being told by "spys?" in thier group that they should quit comming to the PNOs and goto "Other group" instead. That we are nothing but posers. Some actually did! They left and went over "there". They came back saying "I am so sorry" and gave me an earful I care not to repeat and soil my fingers with.

Maybe more and more people will realize what is going on. Hopefully they clean out thier leadership. I dont know, I can only hope. This is not the first time I've been thorugh something like this before. Thier was a gentleman in Little Rock that the central AR community was having issues with. I tried to help by offering my support, but thier was so much NASTY in that community, I've removed myself from it. I hear thier still dealing with him. That more and more new people get suckerd in. Its truly sad.

More and more new people I'm afraid are getting suckered into alot of bad ways. Bad people who prey on Ignorance. Not in a bad meaning is this Ignorance. It means in this case, not knowing the situation before getting involved.

One of these people in that other group was plagerizing my stuff. I had to threaten with a suit. Its insanity. Thier one of the Predators. Thier one of the "needs to go" thier one of the "changing identity like a chameleon so no one will know".

Be careful. Wether your Pagan, Christian, Budist, Muslim, Jewish, whatever Athiest or Angnostic. BE CAREFUL. Thier are predators every where in this community. If your lucky you have or will meet someone like me who is working on removing the Predators. If your not, you get to be a victim and then help others. Never turn a blind eye. Whether real life or on the net, and I'm telling you, this is all real life for me. Initial contact was online, which makes me wary of meeting new people online in my area, but you can't be afraid forever. Sometimes you have brave it out and learn your lessons.

We at FSP are still healing from the disasters and attempted witch wars. We turn a blind eye to those that try to harm us. Eventually we will heal and be the stronger and the wiser for it. Together we stand strong as a community.